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you’re listening to the home ecology
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podcast with monica kaiser
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so hello
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um i’m here with monica kaiser of moneca
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kaiser design build and on this lovely
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sunday afternoon uh how are you today
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monica i’m great thanks great great so
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we’re at it again
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uh however this time around we’re going
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to uh get deeper into the conversation
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and philosophy of homoecology
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now that’s a term you have coined so to
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speak and how about we start with your
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explanation of what homoecology is
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yeah that’s a that’s a great place to
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start this
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home ecology
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is a
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synthesis
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of some things that are very important
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to us but we don’t really talk about a
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lot home
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home is kind of it connotes something
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about community
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and environment and it’s evocative of
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something meaningful to us we all long
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for home
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we talk about homecoming journeys we
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we we write poems about home and we all
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know what homesickness is
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and
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i wanted to
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try to study that to what is it that
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makes up a home
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and i wanted to begin a conversation
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about what those elements are
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so home ecology is about our
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interdependence and our
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um
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community i guess
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what i’m trying to do is elevate the
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built environment
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to be in harmony with the culture
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and
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ecosystem we’re dependent on
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to have more of a symbiotic relationship
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with
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everything okay and uh so
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what are those elements that you are
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speaking of
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um so i’ve i’ve
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been playing with this for a while
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and it’s complex it’s not complicated
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but it’s complex and there’s a big
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difference there’s an elegance and a
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simplicity to it but talking about it
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can
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can
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it can get a bit unwieldy so
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what i’ve done is i’ve broken it down
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into five elements of home ecology or
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principles
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things that we need to aspire to in in
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order to create great homes
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and the the aspirations are awakening
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acknowledging our interdependence
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adaptability like cultivating
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adaptability and embracing adaptability
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cultivation
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um which
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i just use that word i don’t mean to but
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cultivation is like what do we want to
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cultivate in our homes what do our homes
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want to cultivate in the world so sort
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of setting an intention and designing
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towards that intention and honoring our
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values all the time and thinking of the
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home as a living organism and something
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that propagates
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meaning and values and
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enlightenment actually is my hope
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and then ease we need ease we need ease
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so that so that we can give more so that
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we feel abundant and we can flourish
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so those are the elements and we could
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easily do a podcast on each of them
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the idea is that you can’t build a home
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alone
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i think john dunn said no man is an
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island and it’s and it’s and we repeat
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that and repeat that because it
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resonates so deeply and no home is an
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island either and we can’t create a home
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alone like these track builders they can
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build these terrible parasites on the
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environment and rape the land for as
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many dollars as they can have and you
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know just these places that nobody
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really wants to live but it’s all that
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they can kind of manage
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dead zones yeah and i mean they’re not
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alive there’s no diversity there’s no
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there’s
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they’re sanitized homogenized
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communities that don’t work you see a
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lot of box towns growing yesterday
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that’s that seems to
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really resonate with people that uh oh i
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have to own this type of
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box house instead of
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building
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and inspiring to have their own type of
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values put into their homes is that
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something that kind of relates to that
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very much so
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very much so and i think that in order
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to build an actual home we need to
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co-create it we can’t do it alone
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it’s a very intimate process of
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listening and learning so the person who
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needs this home needs to be listened to
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the way a mother would listen to a
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newborn baby and understand its needs
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and wishes and aspirations you know how
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a mom can
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you know a really good mom is attuned to
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her baby and and she knows the baby
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wants something but doesn’t know what
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but she’s wise because she’s had a few
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other children or she’s read the books
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and she cares a lot and we have to start
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approaching homemaking with a lot more
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caring and not about the granite
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countertops or the quartz countertops or
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the leather granite countertops or the
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whatever concrete countertops or you
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know and not even about how
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eco-effective those things are that
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matters but the deeper conversation is
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where is this countertop situated in
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your heart what are you going to do
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there like how is your grandchild going
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to help you roll out the cookies and
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where are you going to get the flower to
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make the cookies are you going to be
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living locally like in that you know
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trying to buy from the local people
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and
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what does a kitchen look like that cares
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more about heart and environment and
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your grandchildren than like dwell
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magazine you know which i mean it’s a
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bad choice because dwell is kind of
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enlightened but
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we have to stop thinking about how
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things look and talk about how things
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feel and why we want them to be that way
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and what they’re going to cultivate
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that’s great and so what inspired this
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idea like behind the values
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where where did it stem from for you
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i guess i started out i had a difficult
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childhood i was i was pretty
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challenged
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just home was very dysfunctional and sad
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i realized really early on that there
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must be more to life like
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like this is crazy
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and i wanted to find things that i could
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really believe in and hold on to
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so
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i just spent my whole life studying
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philosophy and
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initially i did it at university
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i kind of loved it but i was so
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overwhelmed by having all these concepts
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that didn’t belong to me
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so i met a wonderful teacher of um tai
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chi and art
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and meditation who is buddhist and i
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left university and i’ve practiced with
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him for 30 years
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and it’s been this just lovely discovery
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of of really aligning my life with my
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values like i wanted to have a
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meaningful life
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and a truthful life and i chose to get
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to know myself and figure out what i
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care about and
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i’m 51 years old and i’m so happy like
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and i didn’t you know i had terrible
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depression till i was 28 like i really
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had a lot of suffering and
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and then i spent most of my adult life
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cultivating
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not in a self-help way but being present
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in meditation and with good people and
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learning about meaningful things
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and
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i feel like i’ve got
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and then being blessed by this wonderful
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teacher who i believe is enlightened and
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has been able to impart um
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you know he always raises the bar and
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helps me just elevate my thinking and
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vision and i really want to bring that
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back into homemaking into something very
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practical and
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i feel that the reason i’m happy is i
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have aligned my life with my values i’ve
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created a business that reflects my
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values and
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i’m abundant and i’m nurturing and i
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give a lot and it’s easy it’s you know i
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remember being young and it was hard to
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think about other people i had a good
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heart but i had no capacity
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so that’s what i want i want to make
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good homes for people
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and through co-creation and
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interdependence and this little bit of
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awakening these these home ecology
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principles that i’m asking us to
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reclaim in our homemaking process
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i think people will be nourished and and
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they’ll feel taken care of they won’t
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feel taken advantage of like those
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countertops are great but they cost like
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12 000 bucks and you know who took a
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piece of that instead they’d be like oh
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i made a really good decision on this
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kitchen it works
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and and you know i’m gonna make cookies
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for the for the
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um
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whatever community event that’s coming
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up and beyond you know i mean that’s
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just the beginning yeah okay so uh um
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let’s let’s take a practical application
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here can you talk about an experience in
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which you applied homoecology principles
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to design and how it made a difference
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to the overall design of the home
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specifically like is there a client that
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you were
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you
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satisfied that way i’m sure yeah at all
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there’s a really nice one that comes to
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mind a client came to me and um you know
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them liz um
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yeah yeah
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and uh
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they wanted she she they inherited a
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little bit of money
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they told me exactly how much money they
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had and they said what they wanted to
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have done
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and
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she had this really kind of fun vision
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of wanting to do something a little bit
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over the top and very like
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um i’m sorry i’m kind of ignorant of
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decorating styles because i focus on
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something more fundamental
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but it was
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it was playful and a little bit over the
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top a little bit too much which is a
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style that i really love
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and i got to know them a little bit and
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she has chronic fatigue and
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he has a few
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health issues developing and they’re
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creative lovely people and i thought
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i think you need like a kind of peaceful
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home and i started to talk to them about
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you know maybe we could scale this back
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a bit and and
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calm down our palette because they
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talked about wanting to have
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like
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shared space but also private space
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one’s passionate about opera the other
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about jazz
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they they don’t necessarily love
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listening to each other’s music all the
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time
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that happens
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yeah
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and we moved into this you can find it
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on the website this really wonderful
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transformation and it’s kind of classic
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very minimal very calm palette but
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beautiful and elegant and
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they love it so much i do remember going
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through the portfolio for that one and
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the noticeable difference from the as is
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you can tell every piece of music
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equipment and and albums that they have
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it’s still there but it fits and attunes
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more to their lifestyle now you can
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really appreciate it and they they
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showcase their i think it’s one of the
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main pictures they showcase their their
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main artists in the kitchen and stuff
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like that but it really shows
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a piece of them in a sense
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um
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and if if i could if you go to their
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pinterest board which we should share on
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facebook it’s it’s not like that at all
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because they were thinking of how do
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they want this to look
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instead of how do i want to live and
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once we got into that deeper
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conversation of how do you want to live
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and what do you value we ended up with
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this very harmonious lovely space
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and then just to sort of take that a
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step further
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we never had a conversation about
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me or my personal beliefs or their
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personal beliefs really we were always
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talking about home
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needs
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you know couches um kitchens
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and
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interesting enough when the job was all
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done
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rio said to me she said you know i’m
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different now and i’m like what do you
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mean and she goes well you changed me
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and i said what do you mean and she said
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well
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i believe in god now
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i’m not kidding
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i don’t and she said and i don’t know
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how that’s going to manifest or what
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that means or even what religion i’m
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into
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but i’m i feel more connected yeah a
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connection a connection to something
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other than yourself or or a piece of
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furniture or a certain countertop in a
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sense yeah yeah
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and
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yeah yeah it was really neat well so
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speaking on that and i know this uh this
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doesn’t uh it fits into homo ecology but
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you’ve kind of mentioned the the term uh
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can you talk a bit about curing
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dysfunctional house syndrome
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and how that ties into ecology yeah
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that’s a really good that’s a good one
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my nephew came up with that brilliant
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concept of
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of the dysfunctional health syndrome and
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it’s so
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um apropos it’s like so many houses do
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not accommodate our lifestyle
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and the number of struggles i have with
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people about i know you’re giving up
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valuable real estate in your living room
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or your dining room
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but you have to have a closet when you
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come in the house like you just you know
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like like think about your marriage and
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your relationship where are your kids
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putting those shoes if you don’t have a
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closet yeah and who are you going to be
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yelling at for leaving them in the wrong
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space
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so
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um
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and you know how many i like you’ve got
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to be able to get in the kitchen if you
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live with a family with more than one
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person in there but maybe you want a
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certain area of the kitchen that only
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you get in there and again it’s all to
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make the home more harmonious so that
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you can live together
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that idea that good fences make good
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neighbors you have to apply that to your
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home
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and what kind of boundaries and
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and built elements can you create that
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provide
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proximity and spaciousness and
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privacy and cohabitation and
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all these different ways we like to live
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they all have to be adaptable we can’t
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just sort of plunk things together like
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families grow we grow we all evolve and
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the home has to grow and evolve and
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adapt to our different needs we can’t
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sort of
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just think well you know this is good
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like it’s good when you have little kids
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but they’re going to go
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and to school into high school and to
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university and grandparents might move
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in and kids can’t always be sharing the
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same room
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you know one usually moves into the
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basement is that going to be part of it
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at all what type of questions do you ask
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do you ask your clients when you when
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you first meet them
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um well we’ve designed this whole quite
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elaborate um series of questionnaires
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and they’re really fun and they
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overwhelm the clients
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so
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they’re going to be in the book because
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they’re they’re very relevant but i
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scaled it back because one-on-one we can
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interview and sort of intuitively attune
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to these things but what i really want
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to know i don’t want to know what how
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big a kitchen you need or how many
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people you have over for dinner i want
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to know who do you admire
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who’s your hero
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where have you felt most comfortable
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if you had to describe your ideal
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environment
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in a color what color would it be and i
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don’t mean that literally i just mean
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what color evokes the feeling you want
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your home to have
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i want to know
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you know
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what do you hate
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961.68 –> 969
what really gets your your irish up like
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not to be i hope that’s not offensive
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um
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you’re not irish are you
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we won’t speak on that
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my teacher hopefully my mother’s not
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listening yeah well my teacher always
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said that hot blood is a sign of a good
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heart and i associate irish culture with
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hot blood
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so those kinds of questions you know
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um
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yeah those are what we need to know to
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make homes okay and then how does it get
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down to you know
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like
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how does it get down to finally picking
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the countertop then right well it’s
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almost like the countertop picks us
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in the sense that
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there there’s we’re gonna do a podcast
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someday about permaculture with people
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who are much more eloquent about it than
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i am
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but the idea of permaculture i took this
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weekend workshop once and it was
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wonderful it gave voice to these
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thoughts that i’ve always had but i
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never had a vocabulary for
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and they talk about designing in harmony
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with nature
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and allowing everything in its ecosystem
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to give from its highest level of
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capacity like we all know that you know
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you work with me so you know that when i
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do admit i set us back three weeks
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whereas when i do
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design i’m like elevating everything
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so
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um
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the idea also that i took away from
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permaculture and it’s just good sense
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and they’re modeling after nature is
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asking the question of what does this
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space or home or or program want to be
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and then to look for clues and to to
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listen so really by the time we get down
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to picking the countertop we know
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ourselves and we know our team so well
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that if you know of course we want the
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the concrete planet the concrete
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countertop or the glass the recycled
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glass countertop makes complete sense
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and we want the recycled glass because
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it’s in keeping with our values around
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you know sustainability and beauty and
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we want the concrete countertop because
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we want to make it ourselves right and
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even though it’s a little bit hard on
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the environment this is something we you
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know we we want this in our home this
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thing we crafted and
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and we’re going to look at ways of
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offsetting that um
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you know carbon whatever thing sorry
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yeah
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yeah no that makes sense yeah okay and
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so um
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1109.679 –> 1114
and we talked about a bit about this
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last time in the last podcast um the
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whole master plan
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and how that kind of
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uh idea of having a plan for your entire
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home your entire community so that it
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relates to your community how do you tie
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in home ecology with that
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well yeah i mean that that’s what’s
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essential is i think the fundamental
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element of home ecology is it wants us
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to think in terms of systems and the
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whole and harmony and so we look at our
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home as a part of something greater and
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a part of something smaller so right
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down from that countertop out to our our
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street and our community our
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neighborhood our city
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and so
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we need to integrate a master plan where
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we and the master plan isn’t just
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where’s the kitchen gonna be what’s
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gonna happen when the kids are grown up
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and off to college what if we break a
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leg and need to live on the main floor
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it’s not only that
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it really is beginning with what do i
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value
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what what do i want my home to cultivate
534
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in the world what story do i want it to
535
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tell how do i want it to welcome people
536
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how do i want it to teach the children
537
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and um
538
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and
539
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what are the elements that are in
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harmony with all these things so that
541
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when i go
542
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decide that i need
543
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i don’t know like a lot of times people
544
00:19:53,359 –> 00:19:57,359
will want to develop their basement and
545
00:19:55,519 –> 00:19:59,519
they won’t realize that in five years
546
00:19:57,359 –> 00:20:01,119
they’re going to need a new kitchen
547
00:19:59,519 –> 00:20:02,639
because they’ve outgrown this one
548
00:20:01,119 –> 00:20:05,119
they’ve got the basement finished they
549
00:20:02,640 –> 00:20:07,600
have to rip out this 80 or 100 000
550
00:20:05,119 –> 00:20:09,439
basement ceiling like the ceiling’s not
551
00:20:07,599 –> 00:20:12,79
that big you know you can easily throw
552
00:20:09,440 –> 00:20:14,480
away 20 000 ripping out of
553
00:20:12,79 –> 00:20:16,558
the parts of the basement yeah
554
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to make the future work and yeah that’s
555
00:20:16,558 –> 00:20:20,480
what we want to avoid so you don’t hang
556
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a nail in my opinion without a master
557
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plan
558
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because the art has to be in harmony
559
00:20:22,960 –> 00:20:27,200
with the whole thing too that’s true
560
00:20:24,640 –> 00:20:28,720
like even uh when you were speaking of
561
00:20:27,200 –> 00:20:31,440
like they had
562
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1228.72 –> 1234
they had so much that that spoke to them
563
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their items their records and everything
564
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1234 –> 1237.84
but it was it wasn’t a matter of finding
565
00:20:36,159 –> 00:20:39,520
the right cabinet for
566
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how to showcase those it was building
567
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around their value of music and their
568
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value their values of their home and how
569
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they wanted to make that work
570
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um so
571
00:20:47,359 –> 00:20:51,439
well again monica it’s been a pleasure
572
00:20:49,599 –> 00:20:52,639
taking your brain and we’ll catch up
573
00:20:51,440 –> 00:20:54,240
next time and we’ll talk actually more
574
00:20:52,640 –> 00:20:56,0
1252.64 –> 1256
in depth about curing dysfunctional
575
00:20:54,240 –> 00:20:57,359
health syndrome because i know that’s in
576
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1256 –> 1259.76
itself his own
577
00:20:57,359 –> 00:21:03,399
fun little entity so thanks again thank
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you it’s a pleasure
